It is episodes like this that make me feel like the luckiest man in the world.
In this week's conversation, I speak with Astrid Holleeder, the brave woman who risked her own life and freedom to put her brother, the most notorious criminal gangster in the modern history of the Netherlands, behind bars. Astrid is now unable to appear in public and lives in oscillation between freedom and fear, but with no regrets. You won't see her face if you decide to watch the video on YouTube (highly recommended), but her voice says it all.
Joining me along with Astrid is her daughter Miljuschka, an iconic Dutch model, actress, and TV chef in the Netherlands who rose to fame advocating for living free and emotionally, mentally, and phyiscally healthy. Miljuschka is a beloved figure with millions of fans and a beacon of strength herself.
Speaking to these two women together, mother and daughter, makes it clear that courage can run in the family. You will see that most of this conversation is with Astrid as Miljuschka humbly gives her mother the rare chance to express herself publicly. We focus less on the unbelievable story that led to her bestselling book, Judas, and more on the storm of emotions and experiences that led her to a sense of peace despite an incredibly difficult childhood and adulthood.
This episode contains explicit language and themes. We felt it appropriate to leave this episode unaltered.
Listen as we discuss:
Other episodes referenced in this conversation:
Edith Eger: bit.ly/3pUojle
Pin Van Lommel: bit.ly/3pO9HUJ
YouTube: @mogawdatofficial (full episodes on video here)
Connect with Miljuschka on Instagram @miljuschka and her website, milju
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